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 <title>Truth-Lie: Myth of the Surplus</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;
Christians (and it&amp;#8217;s good advice for everyone else) are called to be skeptical&amp;#8212;several places in the Bible it states check things out for yourself and don&amp;#8217;t believe something just because it came from an &amp;#8220;authoritative&amp;#8221; source; many of those sources turn out to be false. Do your homework, or as Jesus said &amp;#8220;Take heed that no one deceive&amp;nbsp;you&amp;#8221;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course, much deception comes from politics; many people accept whatever &amp;#8220;facts&amp;#8221; become thrown out, failing to search and see if those things be true. As Christians, you must not take such a position. &lt;em&gt;Please&lt;/em&gt; do your&amp;nbsp;homework.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We&amp;#8217;ll consider &lt;em&gt;one&lt;/em&gt; such example here. How often have you heard politicians speak of the surplus in the late 1990&amp;#8217;s? It&amp;#8217;s become folklore, but only one problem with it&amp;#8212;it&amp;#8217;s totally false (well, not exactly, it&amp;#8217;s really a&amp;nbsp;&amp;#8220;truth-lie&amp;#8221;).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In politics and elsewhere, an interesting phenomenon involves (as John Loeffler calls it) the &amp;#8220;truth-lie&amp;#8221;&amp;#8211;a statement which may (barely) be &lt;em&gt;technically&lt;/em&gt; true, but could be designed to deceive you. The myth of the late 1990&amp;#8217;s surplus provides a perfect example of the truth-lie. It contains enough truth so no one can be accused of lying, but it has been crafted to deceive you into believing something which&amp;nbsp;isn&amp;#8217;t.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As it turns out, during the years of the promoted &amp;#8220;surplus&amp;#8221;, the country borrowed more money and went further into debt. How can that happen, you may ask. That&amp;#8217;s the paradox of the truth-lie&amp;#8212;in this example, the politicians promoted a surplus, but the full truth was anything but a surplus&amp;nbsp;existed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Stay with us during this analysis, it&amp;#8217;s &lt;em&gt;vital&lt;/em&gt; for you to understand how a truth-lie can be used to deceive you, and remember you&amp;#8217;re called to be a skeptic to prevent you from being&amp;nbsp;deceived.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This article responds to comments made on an article concerning the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dyeager.org/post/2010/04/increasing-federal-deficit&quot;&gt;increasing national debt&lt;/a&gt;. If you read the comments you&amp;#8217;ll notice someone denied the accuracy of the data, and proclaimed instead of deficits the federal government actually had surpluses. After all the discussion, he still denied the data, and prompted this detailed analysis to prove the myth of the surplus &amp;#8212; it&amp;#8217;s a&amp;nbsp;truth-lie.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;This analysis contains many links and footnotes, so you might want to view the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dyeager.org/downloads/SurplusMyth.pdf&quot;&gt;PDF version of &amp;#8220;Myth of the Surplus&amp;#8221;&lt;/a&gt; for easier reading and viewing of all the official government&amp;nbsp;reports.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Background&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;img id=&quot;image-feddeficit&quot; src=&quot;http://www.dyeager.org/images/posts/201005-surplusmyth-fed-deficit.png&quot; alt=&quot;image-FedDeficit&quot; title=&quot;Federal Deficit&quot; width=&quot;305px&quot; height=&quot;231px&quot; class=&quot;centered border&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That simple graph from The Market Ticker (http://market-ticker.denninger.net/) caused much confusion during discussion of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dyeager.org/post/2010/04/increasing-federal-deficit&quot;&gt;increasing national debt&lt;/a&gt;, and provides a perfect example of a truth-lie, and why the truth-lie causes so much damage and confusion. Usually, if you dig deep enough, the truth-lie can be exposed for what it is, and this one is no&amp;nbsp;exception.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;First of all, your graph appears to be wrong. Just clearly, obviously, all I had to do was glance at it to see it&amp;#8230; wrong. This is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbo.gov/budget/data/historical.pdf&quot;&gt;CBO historical budget&amp;nbsp;data&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
  &lt;p&gt;The most obvious place to look for the error is the fact that your graph never goes below 0. There was an 86 billion federal budget surplus in 2000, not a 100 billion deficit. And there was a 1.9 billion surplus in 1999&amp;#8230; not a 100+ billion dollar deficit.
  &lt;cite&gt;http://www.dyeager.org/post/2010/04/increasing-federal-deficit&amp;#35;comment-404&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The appendix details exactly why this person is incorrect (believing the truth-lie), but he certainly isn&amp;#8217;t the only one promoting a mythical &amp;#8220;surplus&amp;#8221; when none existed; the administration reported it as a surplus at the time as&amp;nbsp;well.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;(September 2000) The estimated surplus of at least $230 billion [FY 2000] follows a surplus of $124 billion in FY 1999 and $69 billion in FY 1998.
  &lt;cite&gt;http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/new/html/Tue_Oct_3_113400_2000.html&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The error raises such an important issue we&amp;#8217;ll take some time to delve into it fully, as not only the myth of the surplus continues to be told, but it&amp;#8217;s a good example of how groups manufacture a truth-lie. Stay with us, it&amp;#8217;s vital you understand not only the myth, but &lt;em&gt;how&lt;/em&gt; a truth-lie comes to&amp;nbsp;life.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Truth-Lie&amp;nbsp;Defined&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How can something be truth and lie at the same time? If you involve yourself in politics at all, you&amp;#8217;re quite familiar with it, even if you don&amp;#8217;t know the name. It&amp;#8217;s the art of technically telling the truth, but structuring it in a way which leaves people with a deliberately misleading&amp;nbsp;impression.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Truth, whole truth, and nothing but the&amp;nbsp;truth&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Many people believe upon swearing in court before testimony &amp;#8220;the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth&amp;#8221; repeatedly states the same principle. Not so, the statement has been carefully crafted; those parts do not&amp;nbsp;equate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Truth&amp;#8212;no&amp;nbsp;lying.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The Whole Truth&amp;#8212;Don&amp;#8217;t omit or leave anything&amp;nbsp;out.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Nothing but the Truth&amp;#8212;No opinions or conclusions, let facts speak for&amp;nbsp;themselves.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you tell the truth, but ignore the other two parts of the oath, it&amp;#8217;s quite possible to be technically factual, but deliberately mislead people into thinking something else. Of course, if that&amp;#8217;s your goal (as often occurs in political discussions), the truth-lie becomes a most favored and revered&amp;nbsp;strategy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Definition&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;truth-lie (n) &amp;#8212; A statement which might be technically true, but could create an impression of something else which might not be true. The political equivalent to the magician&amp;#8217;s slight of hand, the truth-lie may be specially crafted for the specific purpose of creating a false&amp;nbsp;impression.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For example, you&amp;#8217;ll frequently hear during spending fights &amp;#8220;the military is the biggest non-discretionary part of federal spending&amp;#8221;. Technically true, but note the weasel words &amp;#8220;non-discretionary&amp;#8221;. Many people don&amp;#8217;t know what that is, so they hear &amp;#8220;the military is the biggest part of federal spending&amp;#8221;, which &lt;em&gt;isn&amp;#8217;t&lt;/em&gt; true, although that false statement is often&amp;nbsp;repeated.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thus, a truth-lie is born. Quite popular in&amp;nbsp;politics.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;What is the&amp;nbsp;Deficit?&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We&amp;#8217;ve got to define two terms: debt &amp;amp; deficit. Frequently interchanged, they&amp;#8217;re &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; the same thing, although similar and related to each&amp;nbsp;other.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Debt&amp;#8212;total amount the federal government owes, similar to the balance on a credit&amp;nbsp;card. &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Deficit&amp;#8212;the yearly amount the government spends above what it takes in, like spending on a credit card after you&amp;#8217;ve spent your entire&amp;nbsp;paycheck.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you engage in deficit spending, the debt rises by the amount of deficit spending. It&amp;#8217;s that&amp;nbsp;simple.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Myth of the&amp;nbsp;Surplus&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;OK, so now we&amp;#8217;re armed with how a truth-lie springs to life, and what the debt and deficit are. Let&amp;#8217;s dig into some geeky financial data and see how this specific truth-lie exists. Don&amp;#8217;t worry, it won&amp;#8217;t really be that bad.&amp;nbsp;Honest.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Did the surplus during those years ever exist? And if not, how did the CBO make it seem like there was? Here&amp;#8217;s the relevant part (page 1) from the CBO report&amp;nbsp;cited:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;table class=&quot;tablewithheader&quot;&gt;
&lt;thead&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Year&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Public Debt&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/thead&gt;
&lt;tbody&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;1997&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.772&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;1998&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.721&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;1999&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.632&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;2000&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.410&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;2001&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.320&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;2007&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5.035&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/tbody&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lo and behold, notice the debt went &lt;em&gt;down&lt;/em&gt; a few years; that&amp;#8217;s how the myth of the surplus came to be, and is the truth part of the truth-lie. But that&amp;#8217;s not the whole truth; the CBO exists as a political entity (while supposedly non-partisan). Recalling back to 2007, &lt;em&gt;nobody&lt;/em&gt; claimed the US debt was only $5 Trillion, so the CBO report doesn&amp;#8217;t pass the sniff-test; the strange debt level should be a clue somebody&amp;#8217;s playing with incomplete&amp;nbsp;information.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Where else can information on the United States national debt be found? Consider the official keepers of the national debt, the US Treasury department where you can obtain the official &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np&quot;&gt;United States debt to the Penny&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;From the official keepers of the United States Federal Government National Debt, here&amp;#8217;s what they reveal on the total national debt of the United States (Note: Federal fiscal years run Oct-Sep, so the end of September represents the end of the year. This causes confusion for those thinking the end of the year arrives on December&amp;nbsp;31st).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;table class=&quot;tablewithheader&quot;&gt;
&lt;thead&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Year&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;National Debt&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/thead&gt;
&lt;tbody&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;9/30/1997&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5.413 T&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;9/30/1998&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5.526 T&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;9/30/1999&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5.656 T&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;9/29/2000&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5.674 T&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;9/28/2001&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5.807 T&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;9/28/2007&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;9.008 T&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;9/30/2008&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;10.025 T&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;9/30/2009&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;11.910 T&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;9/30/2010&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;(est) 13.5 T&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/tbody&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You&amp;#8217;ll notice those numbers differ a bit, so let&amp;#8217;s look at a graph comparing those numbers; charts of numbers are b-o-r-i-n-g while a picture is worth a thousand&amp;nbsp;words.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;img id=&quot;image-debt-summary&quot; src=&quot;http://www.dyeager.org/images/posts/201005-surplusmyth-debt-summary.png&quot; alt=&quot;image-debt-summary&quot; title=&quot;Debt Summary&quot; width=&quot;312px&quot; height=&quot;190px&quot; class=&quot;centered border&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Comparing those numbers, &lt;em&gt;immediately&lt;/em&gt; a few things jump off the page and scream &amp;#8220;notice&amp;nbsp;me!&amp;#8221;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The debt numbers don&amp;#8217;t match! Not even close&amp;#8212;the problem isn&amp;#8217;t simply a statistical problem or rounding&amp;nbsp;error.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;CBO reports a surplus and a reduction in debt, while the Treasury reports a steady increase in debt. The trends&amp;nbsp;differ.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;CBO reports considerably &lt;em&gt;less&lt;/em&gt; debt than the official keepers of the national debt, the US&amp;nbsp;Treasury.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Those items should immediately raise red flags on the data&amp;#8212;and you must ask yourself who, what, and&amp;nbsp;why.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;Why&lt;/em&gt; do those numbers&amp;nbsp;differ?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;What&lt;/em&gt; is missing in the CBO report, relative to the Treasury&amp;nbsp;Department?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;Who&lt;/em&gt; benefits from citing the CBO&amp;nbsp;report?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As some people note (and many politicians like to say), the CBO reported a &amp;#8220;surplus&amp;#8221; for a few years, and the country actually paid down the debt! Yet something&amp;#8217;s fishy&amp;#8212;the US Treasury reports total debt &lt;em&gt;increased&lt;/em&gt; each year, which contradicts the CBO claims of surplus. Who&amp;#8217;s right? The CBO, politicians and the commenter? Or the Treasury? &lt;em&gt;Both&lt;/em&gt; those numbers can&amp;#8217;t be&amp;nbsp;right.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So what&amp;#8217;s going&amp;nbsp;on?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;How the Debt&amp;nbsp;works&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Looking at the detailed treasury data available, you&amp;#8217;ll notice it&amp;#8217;s divided into two parts&amp;#8211;public and Intragovernmental holdings; allow the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/resources/faq/faq_publicdebt.htm&quot;&gt;Treasury Department&lt;/a&gt; in their FAQ to describe exactly what those&amp;nbsp;are.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;What is the Debt Held by the Public?&lt;/em&gt; The Debt Held by the Public is all federal debt held by individuals, corporations, state or local governments, foreign governments, and other entities outside the United States Government less Federal Financing Bank&amp;nbsp;securities.&lt;/p&gt;
  
  &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;What are Intragovernmental Holdings?&lt;/em&gt; Intragovernmental Holdings are Government Account Series securities held by Government trust funds, revolving funds, and special funds; and Federal Financing Bank&amp;nbsp;securities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Notice the words &amp;#8220;Government trust funds&amp;#8221;&amp;#8212;does that ring a bell&amp;#8230;like Social Security? Ding ding ding! Winner! It&amp;#8217;s money the government owes &lt;em&gt;itself&lt;/em&gt;, or perhaps phrasing it better would be obligation&amp;#8212;it&amp;#8217;s an obligation of the Federal government and must be paid, exactly the same as any other&amp;nbsp;debt.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you would like further detail, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/30&quot;&gt;Craig Steiner&lt;/a&gt; has more information on calculating the debt and explaining how it&amp;nbsp;works.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Surplus Shell Game: Creating a&amp;nbsp;truth-lie&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now you understand the debt/deficit, and how the Treasury accounts for the total debt. Armed with those facts, it should be easy to figure out how the CBO played the surplus shell&amp;nbsp;game.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Simply put, they borrowed from their left pocket (raiding Social Security and other &amp;#8220;trust&amp;#8221; funds) and put it in their right (the general fund), reporting only the money in the right pocket. Surprise! Instant surplus. Of course, if you&amp;#8217;ve studied Social Security, you know no lockbox exists, nothing but IOU&amp;#8217;s exists (one of the reasons we&amp;#8217;re in &lt;em&gt;big&lt;/em&gt; trouble, but entitlement spending is a topic for another&amp;nbsp;time).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Notice the weasel words on the CBO report &amp;#8220;Debt held by the Public&amp;#8221;, which you&amp;#8217;re now quite aware ignores a huge portion of the national debt. Most people have no idea what the different parts of the debt are, and certainly don&amp;#8217;t ever look at the official US debt from the Treasury, blindly believing what they&amp;#8217;ve been told. That&amp;#8217;s why this truth-lie&amp;nbsp;works.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let&amp;#8217;s put all we&amp;#8217;ve found in one chart (the truth, &lt;em&gt;the whole truth&lt;/em&gt;, and nothing but the&amp;nbsp;truth).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;table class=&quot;tablewithheader&quot;&gt;
&lt;thead&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;th&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th colspan=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Treasury Dept&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;CBO&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Date&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Pub Debt&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;IG Debt&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Total&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Pub Debt&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/thead&gt;
&lt;tbody&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;1997&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.79&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;1.62&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5.41&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.77&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; 
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;1998&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.73&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;1.79&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5.53&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.72&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; 
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;1999&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.64&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2.02&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5.66&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.63&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;2000&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.41&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2.27&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5.67&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.41&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;2001&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.34&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2.47&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5.81&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.32&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;2002&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.55&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2.68&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;6.23&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.54&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/tbody&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The CBO only reports part of the picture&amp;#8212;they don&amp;#8217;t tell the whole truth! They report public debt, but ignore Intragovernmental Holdings. Notice the similarity of the Treasury and CBO&amp;#8217;s Public Debt numbers, but CBO completely ignores Intragovernmental Holdings, which means their debt numbers are incomplete (and quite &lt;em&gt;less&lt;/em&gt; than total&amp;nbsp;debt).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But as can be clearly seen, the national debt &lt;em&gt;never&lt;/em&gt; went down, thus, by definition, the US government spent more than it received in revenue&amp;#8212;in other words deficit spending. The &amp;#8220;surplus&amp;#8221; mentioned over and over never existed (and the debt was never &amp;#8220;paid down&amp;#8221;)&amp;#8212;US debt &lt;em&gt;increased&lt;/em&gt; each year, when you take the complete picture and use all the&amp;nbsp;data.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#8217;s an attempt to deceive you, and based on how many people believe such a surplus actually existed, it&amp;#8217;s been a very effective&amp;nbsp;truth-lie.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h4&gt;Washington&amp;#8217;s Twilight&amp;nbsp;Zone&lt;/h4&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How do they claim a surplus, while the truth is otherwise? It all depends on what &amp;#8220;is&amp;#8221; is. Seriously. For example, a &lt;a href=&quot;http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/budget&quot;&gt;budget defined&lt;/a&gt; as &amp;#8220;An estimation of the revenue and expenses over a specified future period of time&amp;#8221; can be compared to a report to see how well it matches the&amp;nbsp;definition.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A budget takes total income and total expenses for a period of time (usually a fiscal year) and the difference yields either a surplus or deficit. If you buy a latte for $5 and a Porche for $50,000, with a yearly salary of $40,000, you&amp;#8217;ve got a deficit of $10,005. Simple really. But that&amp;#8217;s not how Washington&amp;nbsp;works.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They&amp;#8217;ll pass on the latte, buy the Porche, and proclaim &amp;#8220;we&amp;#8217;ve saved $5&amp;#8221;, and in their &amp;#8220;budget&amp;#8221;, ignore the Porche (try that with your accountant and see how far you get). Of course, the Treasury Department&amp;#8212;which must deal with &lt;em&gt;total&lt;/em&gt; spending&amp;#8212;borrows $50,000 and adds it to the national&amp;nbsp;debt.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Presto! Instant surplus. Of course, the promoted &amp;#8220;surplus&amp;#8221; comes from &lt;em&gt;borrowed&lt;/em&gt; money. For example, suppose a family wants to live above their means and each month dips into their home equity line of credit. Presto! More income, and more to buy cars and other items with. Then they ignore the increasing mountain of debt and life is&amp;nbsp;good!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Wait a minute, many people tried that exact strategy and it didn&amp;#8217;t work out too well, did it? The resulting mortgage foreclosure rates demonstrate you can&amp;#8217;t simply borrow and spend, while thinking it&amp;#8217;s a surplus of income. The Federal Government differs not a bit from that example&amp;#8212;sooner or later the bill comes&amp;nbsp;due.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#8217;s the answer to why CBO and Treasury data differ, and how CBO claims (in our mythical example) a savings (&amp;#8220;surplus&amp;#8221;) of $5, while the Treasury Department actually borrows $50,000. It&amp;#8217;s similar to a magician&amp;#8217;s slight-of-hand to get you looking in one direction, while ignoring reality. The magician may perform his slight-of-hand directly in front of you, but it&amp;#8217;s easy to miss the&amp;nbsp;deception.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h4&gt;Where the money came&amp;nbsp;from&lt;/h4&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The money comes from Social Security and other trust funds, you know, that &amp;#8220;lock box&amp;#8221; where your contributions are supposed to go? They spent it. The social security debt and obligation still exist, but they took the social security taxes (stole might be a better word) from one pile (the social security trust fund), put it in another (the general year fund), spent it, and left IOU&amp;#8217;s in the social security fund. If you&amp;#8217;re upset after you notice they&amp;#8217;ve been lying all along, it&amp;#8217;s&amp;nbsp;understandable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Did anyone know and understand this was occurring? Some did, but ask yourself, have you heard much reporting about the&amp;nbsp;following?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;(Wall Street Journal) In the late 1990s, the government was running what it&amp;#8211;and a largely unquestioning Washington press corps&amp;#8211;called budget &amp;#8220;surpluses.&amp;#8221; But the national debt still increased in every single one of those years because the government was borrowing money to create the &amp;#8220;surpluses.&amp;#8221;
  &lt;cite&gt;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124277530070436823.html&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
  &lt;p&gt;(Mises Institute) The federal government spends Social Security money and other trust funds which constitute obligations to present and future recipients. It consumes them and thereby incurs obligations as binding as those to the owners of savings bonds. Yet, the Treasury treats them as revenue and hails them for generating surpluses. If a private banker were to treat trust fund deposits as income and profit, he would face criminal charges.
  &lt;cite&gt;http://mises.org/daily/542&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  
  &lt;p&gt;The Social Security Administration is legally required to take all its surpluses and buy U.S. Government securities, and the U.S. Government readily sells those securities&amp;#8211;which automatically and immediately becomes Intragovernmental holdings. The economy was doing well due to the dot-com bubble and people were earning a lot of money and paying a lot into Social&amp;nbsp;Security.&lt;/p&gt;
  
  &lt;p&gt;Since Social Security had more money coming in than it had to pay in benefits to retired persons, all that extra money was immediately used to buy U.S. Government securities. The government was still running deficits, but since there was so much money coming from excess Social Security contributions there was no need to borrow more money directly from the public. As such, the public debt went down while Intragovernmental holdings continued to skyrocket.
  &lt;cite&gt;http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16&lt;/cite&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Sausage-making and the&amp;nbsp;CBO&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why would the CBO release such information? A clue comes from how they work. If you think they take a proposed bill, carefully examine it and report the financial results you&amp;#8217;re quite naive. The trick Congress uses to game the system remains quite simple: CBO scores whatever they&amp;#8217;re&amp;nbsp;told.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Really, that&amp;#8217;s the key. To understand that little scam, suppose I put forth the following&amp;nbsp;bill:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;SB 2345: The Cancer Medical Savings Act of&amp;nbsp;2010&lt;/p&gt;
  
  &lt;p&gt;Whereas, cancer causes such hardship and financial disaster for many Americans, and it creates undue cost for the treatment thereof, be it resolved by this Congress cancer is hearby eliminated, beginning with fiscal year&amp;nbsp;2012.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What would CBO do? They&amp;#8217;ll dutifully score the &amp;#8220;savings&amp;#8221; for this bill, reporting back to Congressional leaders all the billions in &amp;#8220;savings&amp;#8221; from our bill. Absurd? Of&amp;nbsp;course.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;CBO reports whatever the bill contains&amp;#8212;if a bill says cancer disappears in one year, they&amp;#8217;ll score it. In other words, they don&amp;#8217;t necessarily score the &lt;em&gt;assumptions&lt;/em&gt; of the bill, but only what effect those assumptions will have. (Sometimes in the report you might see a warning about assumptions, but that&amp;#8217;s about it as everyone focuses on the alleged &amp;#8220;savings&amp;#8221;, not the&amp;nbsp;warnings).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then Senators get up on the Senate floor and proclaim &amp;#8220;SB 2345 has billions in savings, says the CBO. We need to pass this now!&amp;#8221;, all the while knowing it&amp;#8217;s a stinking festering pile of poo. Yep, it can be that&amp;nbsp;dishonest.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While they&amp;#8217;re supposed to be non-partisan, they certainly are political, and quite easy to game to get whatever results you&amp;nbsp;want.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Truth-Lie&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In short, the CBO report doesn&amp;#8217;t pass muster (it doesn&amp;#8217;t even add up as the appendix proves, a not-so-subtle clue it excludes items), as they didn&amp;#8217;t tell the whole truth. It&amp;#8217;s a truth-lie. And now you know, as Paul Harvey would say &amp;#8230; the rest of the&amp;nbsp;story.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Objections&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Various people for their own reasons attempt to justify the CBO data, but those discussions aren&amp;#8217;t worth much consideration, as one fact exists they can&amp;#8217;t escape&amp;#8212;if a surplus existed, why did the government borrow more money during years of alleged &amp;#8220;surplus&amp;#8221;, increasing the total debt? Nevertheless, let&amp;#8217;s consider a few of those objections, and notice how quickly they can be dismissed as&amp;nbsp;incorrect.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The variances between CBO and Treasury are just statistical noise.&lt;/em&gt; Not true. Examine the chart and notice the Public Debt numbers for the CBO and the Treasury are quite close, but the CBO doesn&amp;#8217;t report the IG debt, thus their reporting of debt equals only about half total US debt. Since they don&amp;#8217;t include all the data, the conclusion won&amp;#8217;t be accurate&amp;nbsp;either.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;table class=&quot;tablewithheader&quot;&gt;
&lt;thead&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;th&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th colspan=&quot;3&quot;&gt;Treasury Dept&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;CBO&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Date&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Pub Debt&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;IG Debt&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Total&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Pub Debt&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/thead&gt;
&lt;tbody&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;1997&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.79&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;1.62&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5.41&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.77&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; 
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;1998&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.73&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;1.79&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5.53&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.72&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; 
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;1999&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.64&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2.02&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5.66&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.63&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;2000&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.41&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2.27&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5.67&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.41&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;2001&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.34&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2.47&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;5.81&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.32&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;2002&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.55&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;2.68&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;6.23&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3.54&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/tbody&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The IG Debt doesn&amp;#8217;t count, and that&amp;#8217;s why CBO doesn&amp;#8217;t use it.&lt;/em&gt; Tell that to all the recipients of Social Security who count on those trust funds. Yes, it really does count as part of the debt, as any reporting of the US debt will include (currently about $13 Trillion and&amp;nbsp;rising).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The total debt includes &amp;#8220;off-budget&amp;#8221; items CBO doesn&amp;#8217;t use.&lt;/em&gt; Imagine telling your accountant you took out a home equity loan, used it to buy a new car, so your net worth went up &amp;#8230; as long as you ignore the new loan. That&amp;#8217;s quite absurd. Obviously to get a complete picture, complete data must be used. No Enron-style rules allowed (if you want a complete&amp;nbsp;picture).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;But &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/during_the_clinton_administration_was_the_federal.html&quot;&gt;Factcheck.org&lt;/a&gt; says even if you remove Social Security, the surplus still existed.&lt;/em&gt; That&amp;#8217;s another truth-lie of it&amp;#8217;s own. Yes, that &lt;em&gt;may&lt;/em&gt; be true (we didn&amp;#8217;t fact-check their numbers) but other trust funds exist besides Social Security. To dig into that, the Treasury Department issues Monthly Treasury Statement (MTS) detailing financial transactions, and you can examine the &lt;a href=&quot;http://fms.treas.gov/mts/mts0900.pdf&quot;&gt;September 2000 report&lt;/a&gt; showing Social Security trust funds of $152.3 Billion, while total funds equal $246.5 Billion. That&amp;#8217;s about $100 Billion missing from the factcheck.org analysis (maybe we need fact-checkers for factcheck.org. Hat Tip for the FactCheck analysis: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/30&quot;&gt;Craig Steiner&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Bottom line: CBO doesn&amp;#8217;t include all the debt in their report. Period. The Treasury does. Thus it&amp;#8217;s no surprise those two methods don&amp;#8217;t yield the same result&amp;#8211;different inputs, different outputs. Of course, if you want a total picture of how much the country owes, common sense says you&amp;#8217;d better use &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; the&amp;nbsp;data.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Deficit-Deniers&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;By using a small amount of critical thinking, it&amp;#8217;s obvious the CBO numbers don&amp;#8217;t include the entire picture, and thus don&amp;#8217;t result in a complete picture of the&amp;nbsp;debt/deficit.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the end, those still clinging to the myth of the surplus (shall we call them deficit-deniers?) simply haven&amp;#8217;t done their homework. Yes, it&amp;#8217;s tedious and boring, but a through analysis demonstrates the surplus never existed, and your children will have to pay for all the deficit spending &amp;#8230; even during &amp;#8220;surplus&amp;#8221;&amp;nbsp;years.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&amp;#8230; the borrower is servant to the lender. (Proverbs 22:7&amp;nbsp;NKJV)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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&lt;h2&gt;Appendix: Detailed Analysis of the CBO&amp;nbsp;Report&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here&amp;#8217;s the detail from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbo.gov/budget/data/historical.pdf&quot;&gt;CBO historical budget data, page 1&lt;/a&gt; in all it&amp;#8217;s&amp;nbsp;glory:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;table class=&quot;tablewithheader&quot;&gt;
&lt;thead&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;th colspan=&quot;8&quot;&gt;Revenues, Outlays, Deficits, Surpluses and Debt Held by the Public, in Billions&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Year&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Revenue&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Outlay&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;On Budget&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Soc Sec&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Postal Serv&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Total&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;th&gt;Pub Debt&lt;/th&gt;
&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/thead&gt;
&lt;tbody&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;1997&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;1,579.4&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;1,601.3&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;-103.2&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;81.3&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;*&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;-21.9&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3,772.3&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;1998&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;1,722.0&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;1,652.7&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;-29.9&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;99.4&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;-0.2&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;69.3&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3,721.1&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;1999&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;1,827.6&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;1,702.0&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;1.9&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;124.7&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;-1.0&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;125.6&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3,632.4&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;b&gt;2000&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;b&gt;2,025.5&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;b&gt;1,789.2&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;b&gt;86.4&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;b&gt;151.8&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;b&gt;-2.0&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;b&gt;236.2&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;b&gt;3,409.8&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;2001&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;1,991.4&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;1,863.2&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;-32.4&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;163.0&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;-2.3&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;128.2&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;3,319.6&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;/tbody&gt;
&lt;/table&gt;

&lt;p&gt;First thing to notice, the total debt in the last column isn&amp;#8217;t the same as the total national debt recorded by the Treasury department&amp;#8212;the guys who actually handle the debt. This alone reveals hidden items in the CBO report, or items excluded in the totals presented. Notice the last column &amp;#8220;public debt&amp;#8221; &amp;#8212; where are the Intragovernmental Holdings? They fail to include it, thus their national debt is wrong, and thus so are their conclusions about the claimed surplus (which never&amp;nbsp;existed).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But that&amp;#8217;s not the only problem with the report&amp;#8212;it simply doesn&amp;#8217;t add up. Notice the &amp;#8220;surplus&amp;#8221; in 2000 equaled $236.2 Billion. That means the debt went down by $236.2 billion, right? Well, not exactly (remember, this &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; Washington math). In 1999 the debt was $3,632.4 Billion, and in 2000 after the &amp;#8220;surplus&amp;#8221; of $236.2 Billion the debt totaled $3,409.8 Billion. Notice anything fishy? Try this math: 3,632.4 - 3,409.8 = 222.6. Hmmm &amp;#8230;  A &amp;#8220;surplus&amp;#8221; of $236.2 Billion reduces the deficit not by $236.2 Billion, but $222.6 Billion. Tilt! Where&amp;#8217;s the missing $13.6 Billion? The CBO numbers don&amp;#8217;t add up. That &lt;em&gt;alone&lt;/em&gt; should be a not-so-subtle clue of a strange issue, something you need to dig in to&amp;nbsp;deeper.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;Spending Social&amp;nbsp;Security&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let&amp;#8217;s analyze the 2000 numbers. Notice the &amp;#8220;on-budget&amp;#8221; surplus claim of $86.4 Billion, with total surplus of $236.2 Billion. But notice they &lt;em&gt;included&lt;/em&gt; Social Security of $151.8 Billion! Wait a minute, those are supposed to be trust funds, and already guaranteed to the recipients of Social Security. In other words, they counted that money&amp;nbsp;twice!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Additionally, as we saw earlier in the MTS (Table 6 Schedule D Investments of Federal Government Accounts in Federal Securities, September 2000 and Other Periods. &lt;a href=&quot;http://fms.treas.gov/mts/mts0900.pdf&quot;&gt;http://fms.treas.gov/mts/mts0900.pdf&lt;/a&gt; page 24-25), Social Security isn&amp;#8217;t the only trust fund. According to that report, Social Security in 2000 had $152.3 Billion in funds (CBO reported $151.8 Billion), but that wasn&amp;#8217;t the only trust&amp;nbsp;fund.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Looking at pages 24-25 of the September 2000 MTS, notice the grand total of funds&amp;#8211;$246.5 Billion dollars, or about $94.2 Billion &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt; than what appears on the CBO report. Thus, the alleged surplus of $236.2 Billion, subtract Social Security of $151.8 Billion (adjust for Postal Service as well), and you arrive at the on-budget number of $86.4 Billion in the CBO&amp;nbsp;report.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But from the MTS, we know that&amp;#8217;s not &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; the trust funds, so we also have to subtract $94.2 Billion (which doesn&amp;#8217;t appear in the report) from the $86.4 Billion to arrive at a deficit of $7.8 Billion for the year 2000, all the while politicians (and others) promoted the truth-lie of a $236.2 Billion&amp;nbsp;&amp;#8220;surplus&amp;#8221;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thus, according to the CBO report, &lt;em&gt;and including all available data&lt;/em&gt;, we arrive at a 2000 deficit of $7.8 Billion, instead of the claimed &amp;#8220;surplus&amp;#8221; of $236.2 Billion. So how much did the Treasury actually borrow that year? From the Treasury &amp;#8220;Debt to the Penny&amp;#8221;, 9/29/1999 the debt equaled $5.656 Trillion, and on 9/29/2000 the debt equaled $5.674 Trillion, and on 9/28/2001 th debt equaled $5.807 Trillion. Those equal &lt;em&gt;deficits&lt;/em&gt; of $18 Billion and $133 Billion respectively (and match the chart which the commenter objected to), instead of&amp;nbsp;surpluses.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#8217;s how the country went further in debt during years of alleged &amp;#8220;surplus&amp;#8221;. By now you can see by scrutinizing the reports and using all the data from Federal sources the CBO doesn&amp;#8217;t include all financial data in their report, thus the result won&amp;#8217;t provide a complete picture&amp;nbsp;either.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Notice also in the CBO report, they state openly they &lt;em&gt;spent the Social Security trust fund&lt;/em&gt;. That should cure the myth of the Social Security trust fund &amp;#8220;lock-box&amp;#8221;, but entitlements are a subject for a later&amp;nbsp;time.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3&gt;CBO&amp;nbsp;Reporting&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#8217;s not just that year, the 1999 surplus was $125.6 Billion, but the reduction in debt was 3,721.1 - 3,632.4 = 88.7, or a difference of $36.9 Billion less in debt reduction than the alleged surplus would&amp;nbsp;indicate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In short, some people might try to explain why the CBO report doesn&amp;#8217;t add up, but simply note the CBO data is internally inconsistent&amp;#8211;in other words, it doesn&amp;#8217;t add up (quite literally). &lt;em&gt;Billions&lt;/em&gt; of dollars escape reporting; what kind of accounting system ignores major portions of&amp;nbsp;debt?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh yeah, Washington style, where deficits can be reported as surplus and everyone believes it&amp;#8212;with &amp;#8220;surpluses&amp;#8221; like these, the country will be bankrupt soon as Federal debt continues to&amp;nbsp;rise.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h1&gt;Charts&lt;/h1&gt;

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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Atheists frequently don&amp;#8217;t recognize contradictions while attempting to defend the logical inconsistencies created by atheism. Atheists claim there is no God; after the statement is made (usually as an unproven &amp;#8220;fact&amp;#8221;), and the logical contradictions of that statement are pointed out to them, instead of admitting they made an error they go to great lengths to disavow the problem.

Here&amp;#8217;s a case in point during an exchange with an atheist who claimed there is no God, and when he was made aware of the the logical absurdity of the statement &amp;#8220;there is no God&amp;#8221;, he responded&amp;nbsp;thusly:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://twitter.com/HappySinger/status/5035172579&quot;&gt;
&lt;p&gt;@darrinyeager Pay attention, please: most atheists do not assert that gods do not exist. You&amp;#8217;re attacking a strawman, coming off as&amp;nbsp;ignorant&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;He accused us of using a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man&quot;&gt;strawman&lt;/a&gt; (an argument deliberately misrepresenting his position). But is that true? First, consider the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dyeager.org/book/atheism-agnosticism/definitions&quot;&gt;definition of atheism&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;athe-ist (n.) A person who believes that there is no&amp;nbsp;God.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;ag-nos-tic (n.) A person who believes that the human mind cannot know whether there is a God or an ultimate cause, or anything beyond material&amp;nbsp;phenomena.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;First, an atheist &lt;em&gt;by definition&lt;/em&gt; believes God does not&amp;nbsp;exist.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Next, let&amp;#8217;s go to the replay booth and see what this same person said about the existence of&amp;nbsp;God:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://twitter.com/HappySinger/status/5038196802&quot;&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The good news is, there&amp;#8217;s still&amp;nbsp;#nogod.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://twitter.com/HappySinger/status/5039052206&quot;&gt;
&lt;p&gt;@misscleva But there is no god,&amp;nbsp;silly!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Upon further review we&amp;#8217;re discussing &lt;em&gt;exactly&lt;/em&gt; his claim &amp;#8212; &amp;#8220;there is no god&amp;#8221;. Either he didn&amp;#8217;t understand his own words (or didn&amp;#8217;t mean what he wrote), doesn&amp;#8217;t understand the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dyeager.org/book/atheism-agnosticism/definitions&quot;&gt;definition of atheism&lt;/a&gt;, doesn&amp;#8217;t understand logic, uses &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dyeager.org/post/2009/06/didactic-dialectic-thought&quot;&gt;dialectic instead of didactic thought&lt;/a&gt;, or he&amp;#8217;s simply confused about what a strawman is (or a combination of any or all of&amp;nbsp;them).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Atheism remains trapped by it&amp;#8217;s logical absurdities. It persists because atheists have a deep seated need to deny the existence (for many, even the &lt;em&gt;possibility&lt;/em&gt;) of God. Unfortunately, this desire to deny God forces them into bizarre contradictions no amount of verbal twister can free them from (even contradicting &lt;em&gt;themselves&lt;/em&gt;), and they remain oblivious to the logical contradictions in their&amp;nbsp;position.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That&amp;#8217;s not very free-thinking, is&amp;nbsp;it?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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 <title>Avoiding Logical Error - Science and Confirmation Bias</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Errors in logic must be avoided if you wish to have an open mind and use critical thinking. This of course means you must be open to &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; possibilities, forming opinions based on logic and analysis instead of preconceived ideas; confirmation bias can arise during analysis by making assumptions based on what you &lt;em&gt;want&lt;/em&gt; to see, instead of evidence and logical deduction.
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://www.skepdic.com/confirmbias.html&quot;&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Confirmation bias refers to a type of selective thinking  whereby one tends to notice and to look for what confirms one&amp;#8217;s beliefs, and to ignore, not look for, or undervalue the relevance of what contradicts one&amp;#8217;s beliefs. For example, if you believe that during a full moon there is an increase in admissions to the emergency room where you work, you will take notice of admissions during a full moon, but be inattentive to the moon when admissions occur during other nights of the&amp;nbsp;month.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So what does that mean? An example from a recent study asking the question &amp;#8220;how did religion evolve?&amp;#8221; provides an example of confirmation bias. Try and notice the error(s) while&amp;nbsp;reading.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://www.world-science.net/othernews/100208_religion&quot;&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Religion evolved as a byproduct of preexisting mental capacities, and not because it fulfilled a specific function of its own-though it can facilitate cooperation in society, a study&amp;nbsp;concludes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why religion emerged among early humans remains a source of contention among scholars. Many scientists believe religion is ultimately based in the brain, but that still leaves unclear how and why these behaviors originated and how they may have been shaped during evolution. Some archaeologists think religion came about partly as a strategy by some people to grab power, simply by claiming some sort of secret&amp;nbsp;knowledge.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Notice the error? They made (at least) two assumptions, and the data in their study &amp;#8220;confirmed&amp;#8221; their bias that religion somehow evolved from natural man &amp;#8212; not God &amp;#8212; because they failed to consider (or look for) what contradicted their&amp;nbsp;beliefs:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Evolution is&amp;nbsp;true.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;No God&amp;nbsp;exists. &lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dyeager.org/search/node/evolution&quot;&gt;Evolution&lt;/a&gt; remains an unscientifically proved assumption; it can&amp;#8217;t explain how we got here &lt;em&gt;scientifically&lt;/em&gt; (that is, with verifiable, repeatable scientific experiments). The study looked where it wanted to &amp;#8212; to an unscientific method. A classic case of confirmation&amp;nbsp;bias.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Second, if God exits, the bias in the study renders it not only useless, but dangerously misleading. We&amp;#8217;ve written much on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dyeager.org/search/node/atheism&quot;&gt;atheism&lt;/a&gt; already, but in brief &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dyeager.org/book/atheism-agnosticism/atheism&quot;&gt;atheism is by definition illogical&lt;/a&gt; as it&amp;#8217;s impossible to state as fact God doesn&amp;#8217;t exist unless you posses all knowledge in the cosmos. Atheists (by definition) lack critical thinking skills and fail to employ logic in their&amp;nbsp;reasoning.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#8217;s neither scientific nor free-thinking to exclude vast areas for consideration, and it this case it&amp;#8217;s an example of confirmation bias &amp;#8212; so much so the study becomes&amp;nbsp;worthless.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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 <link>http://www.dyeager.org/post/2010/02/carl-sagans-belief-spite-facts</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;
Carl Sagan provides many quotes loved by both atheists and evolutionists in an attempt to demonstrate the absurdity of God and religion in general. Here&amp;#8217;s a popular Sagan&amp;nbsp;quote:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://twitter.com/Monicks/status/9175626048&quot;&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You can&amp;#8217;t convince a believer of anything; for their belief isn&amp;#8217;t based on evidence, it&amp;#8217;s based on a deep seated need to believe. Carl&amp;nbsp;Sagan&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We&amp;#8217;d agree as the God denier Sagan himself provides supporting evidence in another of his famous&amp;nbsp;quotes:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081846/quotes&quot;&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The cosmos is all that is or ever was or ever will&amp;nbsp;be.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sagan believed in the (now discredited) theory of the infinitely old universe &amp;#8212; the eternal existence of the cosmos simply isn&amp;#8217;t true. The universe did have a beginning &amp;#8212; the question remains when and &lt;em&gt;how&lt;/em&gt;, both of which are currently subject to considerable&amp;nbsp;debate.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sagan held the wrong belief (as far as we know) up until his death &amp;#8212; in spite of evidence to the contrary. Why? Because his world-view (secular atheist) required it. Even after most accepted the &amp;#8220;big bang&amp;#8221; theory, Sagan didn&amp;#8217;t &amp;#8212; he couldn&amp;#8217;t &amp;#8212; because it conflicted with his world view. His belief wasn&amp;#8217;t based on evidence or science, but a deep seated need to validate his worldview (also a case of confirmation bias, a subject we&amp;#8217;ll take up in future&amp;nbsp;post).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;&amp;#8230; Hoyle dislikes the idea because, as he puts it, &amp;#8220;The big bang theory requires a recent origin of the universe that openly invites the concept of creation&amp;#8221;. Barry Parker sums up the feelings of most cosmologists: &amp;#8220;If we accept the big bang theory, and most cosmologists now do, then a &amp;#8216;creation&amp;#8217; of some sort is forced upon us&amp;#8221; (Herren, Fred &amp;#8220;Show Me God&amp;#8221; page&amp;nbsp;107&amp;#8211;108)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You frequently can&amp;#8217;t reason with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dyeager.org/search/node/atheism&quot;&gt;atheists&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dyeager.org/search/node/evolution&quot;&gt;evolutionists&lt;/a&gt; &amp;#8212; their belief isn&amp;#8217;t based on evidence, but on a deep seated need to deny the existence of God, as Carl Sagan brilliantly demonstrated. You have to admire Sagan, however, not many people (especially those claiming to be scientists) would continue to hold an absurd position to suit their worldview, when abundant evidence proves them&amp;nbsp;wrong.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#8217;s sad many quoting Sagan miss the&amp;nbsp;irony.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;
Not everyone with the title &amp;#8220;pastor&amp;#8221; behind their name is trustworthy. That should be obvious, but many fall victim to the &amp;#8220;appeal to authority&amp;#8221; problem, where someone appearing as an authority has their beliefs accepted without&amp;nbsp;challenge.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As an example, consider the following discussion between an atheist and a pastor; the atheist at least understands what the Gospel is, while the so-called pastor has no&amp;nbsp;idea.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://www.portlandmonthlymag.com/arts-and-entertainment/category/books-and-talks/articles/christopher-hitchens/&quot;&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would say that if you don&amp;#8217;t believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the Christ and Messiah, and that he rose again from the dead and by his sacrifice our sins are forgiven, you&amp;#8217;re really not in any meaningful sense a&amp;nbsp;Christian.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Atheist Hitchen&amp;#8217;s correctly identifies the Gospel (see Paul in 1 Corinthians 15); compare Hitchen&amp;#8217;s clear understanding of the Gospel with Unitarian minister Marilyn Sewell&amp;#8217;s&amp;nbsp;bizarity:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://www.portlandmonthlymag.com/arts-and-entertainment/category/books-and-talks/articles/christopher-hitchens/2/&quot;&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The way I believe in the resurrection is I believe that one can go from a death in this life, in the sense of being dead to the world and dead to other people, and can be resurrected to new life. When I preach about Easter and the resurrection, it&amp;#8217;s in a metaphorical&amp;nbsp;sense.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;#8230;I have my grandmother&amp;#8217;s Bible and I still read it, but I don&amp;#8217;t take it as literal truth. I take it as metaphorical truth. The stories, the narrative, are what&amp;#8217;s&amp;nbsp;important.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://www.portlandmonthlymag.com/arts-and-entertainment/category/books-and-talks/articles/christopher-hitchens/3/&quot;&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#8217;t know whether or not God exists in the first place, let me just say&amp;nbsp;that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;God is a mystery to me. I choose to believe because&amp;#8212;and this is a very practical thing for me&amp;#8212;I seem to live with more integrity when I find myself accountable to something larger than myself. That thing larger than myself, I call God, but it&amp;#8217;s a metaphor. That God is an emptiness out of which everything comes. Perhaps I would say &amp;#8220;reality&amp;#8221; or &amp;#8220;what is&amp;#8221; because we&amp;#8217;re trying to describe the infinite with language of the finite. My faith is that I put all that I am and all that I have on the line for that which I do not&amp;nbsp;know.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In short, just because some calls themselves a &amp;#8220;Christian&amp;#8221; and maybe even &amp;#8220;pastor&amp;#8221; doesn&amp;#8217;t mean anything; many churches won&amp;#8217;t need new pastors after the&amp;nbsp;rapture.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Be careful, and heed the Bible&amp;#8217;s call to check things out for yourself. Be a&amp;nbsp;Berean.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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 <description>&lt;h2&gt;Why do atheists protest Christmas&amp;nbsp;displays?&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Previously we discussed &lt;a href=&quot;/post/2009/12/problem-morality-where-does-it-come&quot;&gt;Dawkins&amp;#8217; view of shifting atheist zeitgeist morality&lt;/a&gt; &amp;#8212; the idea culture shapes morals, and who can say anything is right or wrong? Dawkins even goes so far as to claim nobody can state Hitler was wrong &amp;#8212; after all, morality comes from shifting society, not an absolute standard. Dawkins&amp;#8217; idea of morality is absurd, of course, but more absurd when atheists don&amp;#8217;t even believe or follow what they say &amp;#8212; consider the following Rasmussen&amp;nbsp;poll:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://bit.ly/7anx7o&quot;&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Americans remain overwhelmingly in favor of allowing religious symbols to be displayed on public land and feel even more strongly that public schools should celebrate at least some religious&amp;nbsp;holidays.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 76% of adults believe religious symbols like Christmas Nativity scenes, Hanukkah menorahs and Muslim crescents should be allowed on public land. Just 13% disagree, and another 10% are&amp;nbsp;undecided.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Eighty-three percent (83%) believe public schools should celebrate religious holidays. This figure includes 47% who think the schools should celebrate all religious holidays and another 36% who believe they should only celebrate some. The question did not single out which holidays should be celebrated and which should be&amp;nbsp;excluded.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Only 14% think the public schools should not celebrate any religious&amp;nbsp;holidays.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the atheist realm preached by Dawkins and others, society says a Nativity should be allowed, yet atheists violently protest. Why the contradiction? Allowing Nativity scenes and Christmas carols in schools matches &lt;em&gt;perfectly&lt;/em&gt; with the view of morality coming from a shifting cultural zeitgeist. Who can say it&amp;#8217;s wrong? Certainly not the atheist lacking an absolute moral standard &amp;#8212; why do they try to force their religious views on others who clearly reject&amp;nbsp;them?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What&amp;#8217;s the problem? If you&amp;#8217;re a religious person these expressions don&amp;#8217;t present a problem, and for the atheist holding Dawkins view of morality it&amp;#8217;s acceptable as well as it fits the zeitgeist model. For an atheist to protest &lt;em&gt;against&lt;/em&gt; such overwhelming cultural norms means they don&amp;#8217;t follow their own teaching.&amp;nbsp;Shocking!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#8217;s ironic atheists claim to hold the intellectual high ground &amp;#8212; it&amp;#8217;s those crazy religious people checking their brains at the door &amp;#8212; yet these superior people happily abandon their own (bizarre) principles when it suits them. We&amp;#8217;re sure atheists will stop their silly protests over Christmas and holidays to be consistent with the atheistic moral&amp;nbsp;view.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Then again, maybe&amp;nbsp;not.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;In the atheism verses God debate, one thorny issue always remains for the atheist &amp;#8212; how does the atheist define morality (right and wrong)? Without absolute standards, where does right and wrong come from? Consider the atheist&amp;#8217;s favorite spokesman Richard Dawkins speaking on the question of&amp;nbsp;morality.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://byfaithonline.com/page/in-the-world/richard-dawkins-the-atheist-evangelist&quot;&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;#8220;What defines your morality?&amp;#8221; I asked with genuine&amp;nbsp;curiosity.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There was an extended pause as Dawkins considered the question carefully. &amp;#8220;Moral philosophic reasoning and a shifting zeitgeist.&amp;#8221; He looked off and then continued. &amp;#8220;We live in a society in which, nowadays, slavery is abominated, women are respected, children can&amp;#8217;t be abused&amp;#8212;all of which is different from previous centuries.&amp;#8221; He leaned forward as he warmed to his&amp;nbsp;subject.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;At this point, perhaps a word of explanation is necessary. Zeitgeist is a German word meaning &amp;#8220;spirit of the age.&amp;#8221; Dawkins here refers to the prevailing moral climate or mood of a given place or time. We may observe that what constitutes moral or ethical behavior differs from one culture to another; indeed, it may even differ within a given culture. This is not in dispute. The question, rather, is this: should moral standards be based on the societal zeitgeist or should they look beyond it to something&amp;nbsp;else?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I asked an obvious question: &amp;#8220;As we speak of this shifting zeitgeist, how are we to determine who&amp;#8217;s right? If we do not acknowledge some sort of external [standard], what is to prevent us from saying that the Muslim [extremists] aren&amp;#8217;t&amp;nbsp;right?&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&amp;#8220;Yes, absolutely fascinating.&amp;#8221; His response was immediate. &amp;#8220;&lt;b&gt;What&amp;#8217;s to prevent us from saying Hitler wasn&amp;#8217;t right?&lt;/b&gt;&amp;#8221;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How do you obtain moral&amp;nbsp;standards?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Human thinking by changing times&amp;nbsp;(zeitgeist).&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Outside human thought, i.e.&amp;nbsp;God.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Atheists may think of morality as coming from instinct, majority of opinion, situationally up to each person, and so on, but as Dawkins admits any and all of those are subject to change. Thus it&amp;#8217;s up to each individual to determine morality, and as Dawkins notes, by that logic who can say Hitler was wrong in exterminating six million Jews? No absolutes exist, so everything is moral &amp;#8230; and immoral at the same&amp;nbsp;time.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This does &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; imply atheists can&amp;#8217;t be good people &amp;#8212; they certainly can be. But it &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; mean they have no absolute standard for morality, and ultimately moral actions come down to situational ethics &amp;#8212; what&amp;#8217;s moral today could be immoral tomorrow, and vice versa &amp;#8212; morality needs an absolute standard or it varies as each person or majority decide morality for themselves or the group. But in either case morality&amp;nbsp;shifts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dawkins&amp;#8217; idea even &lt;em&gt;suggesting&lt;/em&gt; Hitler could have been right displays the absurdity of the atheist position. Without an absolute moral compass, anything can be considered moral at one point, and not at another. In Dawkins&amp;#8217; atheist reality, it&amp;#8217;s &lt;em&gt;possible&lt;/em&gt; for Hitler&amp;#8217;s actions to be correct, now or in the future. In other words, morals are not absolute at any time &amp;#8212; the perfect storm of situational&amp;nbsp;ethics.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Naturally, Dawkins&amp;#8217; suggestion about Hitler likely repulses most (all?) people, but while many atheists might attempt verbal twister to avoid the conclusion, Dawkins gets credit for not denying the logical conclusion of his atheist position and the lack of standard morality it&amp;nbsp;spawns.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why this position doesn&amp;#8217;t bother him remains&amp;nbsp;troubling.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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