Can You Lose Your Salvation?
One of our most popular articles concerns losing salvation – some say you can once be saved, and they become unsaved, others say you can’t. Yet that article still generates much of the email we receive.
One of the arguments against once saved, always saved we hear is “if that’s true, it means I can live any way I want and still be saved”. Not so fast.
Don’t interpret the permanence of salvation to mean you can live any way you want and be saved. If people live in perpetual sin that’s a clue they might not be saved, no matter what they say. For example, I can say I’m the President all I want, and that doesn’t change the facts. Many people may think they’re saved, but if they don’t have the fruit, their proclamation is worthless.
Another way to look at it is if you ever have eternal life, but then lose it, was it really eternal to begin with? Eternal life is by definition irrevocable. To say otherwise means not only was it not eternal, but God somewhere changed his mind, and that’s an area we don’t want to go.
The major question isn’t losing salvation, but were you ever saved in the first place? That’s a more troubling question, and one many don’t want to deal with.
You did nothing to earn your salvation (it’s a gift from God), so there’s nothing you can do to lose it. In short, I know I can’t lose my salvation, because I know who I’ve trusted for it, and I did nothing to earn or merit it. God won’t change his mind, and I can’t disappoint Him as He already knows all the mistakes I’ll make until the day I die.
And He still choose me anyway.
Copyright © Darrin Yeager 1998-2010
Comments
Excellent article. I find it
Excellent article.
I find it troubling that many Christians cannot see the obvious disconnect in declaring that salvation is not earned by works, but somehow it is “revocable” by works. The bible makes it quite clear that a person experiencing a genuine conversion is not capable of losing, forsaking or walking away from salvation.
Salvation is a supernatural act - it occurs in the spiritual realm and is not bound by physics, nature or time. This is why it impossible to “lose your salvation” after a time of sin or rebellion - your salvation is written in the book of life, which resides in realm where time is irrelevant.
Some Christians don’t like the idea of secure salvation because of people who trample on grace. But this is the nature of freedom and the nature of free-will - just because there is abuse of grace, does not mean we throw it out the window and replace it with a doctrine not found in scriptures. In the same way that people will argue that freedom is bad (people will do bad/sinful things and therefore we need laws controlling morality) people argue against biblical salvation (without the threat of “losing/walking away” from salvation, Christians will trample grace). However it is clearly obvious that grace trampling is not God’s fault for first granting grace and freedom - it is the fault of the sinner.
A Christian may sin - but he will also be constantly led to conviction and repentence by the Holy Spirit.
This is a very difficult subject. What you have given is undersatandable.
Philip
i believe you cant lose your
i believe you cant lose your salvation but i have trouble getting past Hebrews 10:26.
For if we sin willfully after
The Greek verb "sin" in Hebrews 10:26 represents continual, repeated action. In other words, it's become your nature, it's something you look forward to, and perhaps don't even have remorse for.
It's not simply a one-time sin - it's intentional, continuous action. See chapter three of our notes on 1 John for more on habitual, repeated sin and what the apostle John says.
http://www.dyeager.org/1john/1john-03.phpWhat is Hebrews 6:4-6:
What is Hebrews 6:4-6: Saying? (Did it say renew them again unto salvation? no.) Let me give it a go on what was meant in that ole scary verse.
Two friends were told by God that everything in the 7 eleven store is free because he paid for it. The two friends go into the store and just get two sodas, freely. On the way out one friend thinks to himself this is not right I should have to pay for this free soda, while the other friend goes outside resting on Gods promise of the free soda. The other friend pulls out his money, works, and wants to pay for his soda, he is not resting on the promises of God. Does he negate what God has said? Does he now live by his works of righteousness? Is he tossing the standard of repentance out the window with his wanting to pay for the free gift? Will he know”if we confess our sins he is faithfull and just to forgive our sins.” Think this through asking God for wisdom and this verse will no longer be scary but a loving reminder of the grace you posses through Jesus Christ. Can an individual wind up in hell after being born again by the power of God? Man says yes because in mans ignorant wisdom negates what Gods power has wonderfully done, man stoops in his intellectual exercise in his own unfaithfulness and tries to rationalize it into some kind of theology 101! Jesus said “When he the comforter has come he will guide you in all truth….” and If man is unfaithful Jesus will remain faithful for he cannot disown himself…. The only way any that any blood bought born again believer can lose their salvation is that right now one must go to the heavens and destroy all the streets of gold. Then after that bad that individual must destroy all the angels at Holy Gods command. Then after that feat the last thing the individual must do is take on Holy God himself. This is impossible so any individual who called out to Jesus for salvation by repentance cannot and will not lose their salvation it would be a paradox in the face of God’s holy word and the payment of mans sin by the blood of his dear son Jesus Christ! Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
Salvation
Hello, I was reading your belief and see that you have been deceived by satan as most of my baptist brothers and sisters in Christ also have. I once believed and preached once saved always saved, However it’s not true. If it were true Jesus and his apostles would not warn against it. Instead of giving a whole bunch of scriptures showing you, you can lose your salvation, I’m going to recomend you forget what you were taught by man and read the new testament begining to end and look for scriptures referring to continuing in the faith to inherit heaven or to enter heaven. it’s not by works, it’s by faith, Faith in the blood of Christ for the redemption of your sins. However if you for some reason stop believing that between now and the time you die, You will go to hell or lose your salvation. I promise. as an ambassador for Christ I warn you to stop preaching false doctorine until you hear it from Jesus himself and not man. therefore read the new testament with that question in mind. I’m not accusing you of preaching false doctorine intentionally, I think you really beleive what your saying, Just consider what eve did to adam, she really believed satan as you did or do. also when you see the truth on the subject much of the bible will make alot more sense and you will see alot of things that you now can’t. one other thing, I see you say you were chosen. I understand you to beleive that you, you, you were chosen. that also is not correct. what you should have wrote is I am chosen in Christ, meaning Christ is chosen and because I believe in Jesus that makes me chosen or elect. I hope this letter of correction doesn’t come bitter but sweet. It is in love. I love you, Love your brother in Jesus, Shane
@Shane, perhaps you missed
@Shane, perhaps you missed Jesus saying this:
I’m a man, and that means I can’t pluck myself out of his hand either.
If you have eternal life (shall never perish), it’s forever. If it’s conditional it’s not eternal by definition. Shane, was Jesus wrong calling it eternal when [you claim] it’s not? What then did Jesus mean by shall never perish?
Ultimately, those believing you can lose your salvation believe in a “Jesus plus” idea of salvation — salvation doesn’t come by faith alone, but by some action you do. In other words Jesus’ death on the cross for forgiveness of sin was insufficient to save mankind, and must be supplemented.
For anyone who’s interested, you might want to read an older article on this issue:
http://www.dyeager.org/post/2008/01/can-you-lose-your-salvation
John 3:3
Hello Shane Altieri, Are you born again, John 3:3? seriously was it by your effort or the fact you rested in the atoning work of who Jesus is for you as your Lord, ephesians 2:8,9? Second was God Son sent from Heaven to Earth out of him being just to punish sin and out of being just to provide a sin bearer, John 3:16? Third was it your seed of confession to want God or the confession of your need for mercy before holy God for him to reveal his grace to you by the Lord Jesus Christ. Hey how I’m doing? I keeping this straight and narrow right?
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
So now with the above verse we go deeper. So you are either his or none of his, right? So if you are his by his strength are you in his promise or are you in your strength walking with him, 1st John 1:7,8,9? Now your argument is if someone sins once or a million times in his experienced after legitimately being born again after repentance and being sealed, oh thats a cool bible word sealed, by the Holy Spirit someone can lose their salvation!
@Shane, I honestly have no
@Shane, I honestly have no idea what point you’re trying to make.
My sheep hear My voice, and I
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. (John 10:27–29)
Hello, There is a stipulation here: The word follow. to follow is a continual action. If a person stops believing he will also stop following. As long as one believes in the blood of Christ he is saved, If one stops believing in the blood of Christ for the payment of there sin there lost.
Hello John 3:3, I do believe
Hello John 3:3, I do believe in the blood of Jesus Christ as payment for my sins. I’m a Holy Spirit taught Christian and spent about a year at about 4-6 hours a day studying once saved always saved, chosen, election, and I studied where this originated. It seems to have come from a man named John Calvin, John Calvin was some what responsible for the MURDER of Michael Servetus “If he [Servetus] comes [to Geneva], I shall never let him go out alive if my authority has weight.” Now this is comming from a man who claims to have the Holy Spirit living inside of him. ??????? After my study of John Calvin I determined that I would not hold any of his teaching as inspired by my God, Jesus Christ. I also took it a step further and concluded it to be possible that Calvin may have been demon possessed. (If there’s apples growing on a tree I would call it an apple tree). Anyways, first study John 6:29 Just you and Jesus, It’s very important that you don’t seek help other than Jesus. Remember the Holy Spirit will teach you all things. I’m confident John 6:29 will be enough to start you out on the right track, However if its not enough look at luke 8 and note what Jesus says about the one who believes for a while then falls away. When and if you see the truth go back and read the new testiment thru and see how much more you are able to make sense of now having the truth.
Hello Yeager, The point is
Hello Yeager, The point is this: The truth… Nothing more nothing less. If a pastor gave you a check for $1,000,000.00 wouldn’t you like to know if the money was really in the bank? We’ll your salvation is worth way more. Read John 6:29 and decide for yourself who’s responsible for you keeping your saving faith. Then you’ll see my point. Don’t be deceived like Eve was… Satan has a lot of soilders out there doing his work and they don’t even know there doing his work just as Eve didn’t.
It's Grace, not works
Even for those holding the eternal security position, some believe you can walk away if you choose, others don’t. So if you can walk away, then it’s possible to “lose” your salvation—not by your actions, but because you no longer desire it.
Thus you can’t do anything to lose your salvation, but you can discard it (fall away, stop believing, cease following, etc) if you choose to.
Who keeps the sheep? The shepherd, not the sheep. Jesus is the good shepherd, and will lose none.
If you think you can do something to lose your salvation, that means you did something to earn it, which means Jesus’ death on the cross was INSUFFICIENT for salvation. Personally, I don’t want to tell the creator of the universe He couldn’t get the job done and needed help.
As I’ve already said
Hello Again Yeager, This time
Hello Again Yeager, This time my letter isn’t so much for you as it is for others that might read our disscussion. John 6:29 is very clear on who is responsible for the keeping of ones faith. All but one that I’ve lead to this scripture has seen the truth. The work of God is not the same as the work of good deeds. When the bible says not by works its talking about not by good deeds. Salvation is by faith alone. However if one has this saving faith he will also have the good works accompany it. The good works will come from the one that comes and lives inside of you and seals you, Who is the Holy Spirit. Jesus knew ahead of time this doctrine of once saved always saved would appear, I think that is the reason the book of Hebrews is so very clear on the subject. Although I notice that some are able to somehow convince baby Christians that it’s saying something that its not. Hebrews 3:6 and 3:14 come to mind. Since I learned the truth I have forgoten what my Baptist pastor told me about how he interpreted these. I’m not going to ask for your interpretation as I don’t want to lead you to sin. I would like for those who come across this discussion to look at them and see what they get without any outside help besides Jesus. Also Colossians 1:23. I think it is best to let people read and decide for themselves. These scriptures are as plain as Jesus can be on the subject. If you would like you can send me one scripture at a time that you believe are telling you once saved always saved and I will ask Jesus for the answer and when he answers me I will break them down and show you the criterier that has to be met in order for that scripture to be complete in it’s meaning. agian it won’t be so much for you only, as it will be for every Christian that reads this. I truly do love you and consider you my brother in the faith, So if at anytime you feel uncomfortable or start to have bitter feelings towards me, let me know and I’ll try my best to make peace.
Maybe you can, but I can't
Nope. You’re free to believe you can lose your salvation—as Chuck Missler says, maybe you’re right, maybe you can.
But I know I can’t, because I know whom I’ve trusted, and He is able to keep it. He’s the shepherd, I’m not, and it’s His job to keep the sheep, not mine. Salvation isn’t based on my works, but His, so I can’t do anything to lose it.
Now you’re on dangerous ground—critically dangerous. There’s nobody between Jesus and man. We don’t need priests or anyone else. If Jesus wants to reach me, He knows where I live.
What you’re proposing is un-Biblical and extremely dangerous. When Jesus died the veil in the temple tore from top to bottom demonstrating a direct relationship with God was available to everyone without anyone in between.
What you’re proposing is putting the veil back up and forcing people to use a go-between between them and God, and I hope (and strongly recommend) nobody takes you up on your offer—ever. I know I won’t, as I prefer to communicate directly with the author myself.
Hello Yeager, You know in
Hello Yeager, You know in your heart where you learned the doctrine of once saved always saved. I know where I learned it. I was taught it by a pastor who truly believes it, not by Jesus. I decided to go back and study just Jesus and I. When I said send me the scriptures that you feel are telling you once saved always saved I was willing to break them down and show you the key words and the other verses in the bible that would show that your internet teaching of once saved always saved contridicts the Holy scriptures. As to your Judgement of my heart, All you had to do is ask me if I was trying to put the vail back up and I would have told you no. I forgive you and still have love for you. What my heart intent is is to show you the truth so you will intern show the truth to others. I know that a person is able to go directly to Jesus for the answer, However I also know that if a person is so prideful in his head knowledge of scripture that it (the pride) will separate him from hearing the Lord Jesus’ voice… I’ve learned that when you show someone the word of God that the word of God is able to reveal the truth to someone that has been taught falsely. It’s not your fault that you trusted someone’s interpretation of the scriptures that lead you to believe once saved always saved. I only wanted you to go back and restudy with Jesus and you only, That’s why I said earlier on in our previous conversation to study John 6:29 just You and Jesus without any outside help. Therefore if you look back to when I said that you’ll see that is what I said, Then you’ll see the comments you made to me were unnecessary, The ones about being unbiblical and dangerous ground. no hard feelings. May the peace of God be with you always.
Once saved always saved???
I’ve been reading thru the posts of both Shane and Yeager and I am still having trouble. I’ve always believed that once we’ve been saved, we are always saved, but a friend questioned that belief and in my attempt to explain to him, I have now found verses that SUPPORT BOTH.
I clearly understand that there is no contradiction in God’s inspired word, I just am having trouble understanding.
Hebrews 10:26-27 (New Living Translation) 26 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. 27 There is only the terrible expectation of God’s judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies.
I do continue sinning in a particular area and I’m so ashamed of myself for it. I do repent, but what if I die before I can ask Christ AGAIN for forgiveness? I thought that HE was the living sacrafice for all sins, and that when I believe that He is the redeming Savior, the Son of God, confess my sins and then repent and turn away from my sins I am eternally forgiven, but now I question that.
(Could the understanding be that all of my past sins were forgiven, as with the Israelites who had to continuously provide offerings to God. But that I still have to ask for forgiveness, after every recognized (and unrecognized) sin, to retain my salvation.) The concept that I just typed doesn’t make sense to me but I can NOT find scripture that clearly supports once and for all saved; however, i have found several that demonstrate the possibility of losing salvation.
If by grace I was saved, how is it possible that by works I can be damned? Can you provide scripture that clearly demonstrates once saved, always saved. I will definitley go to Christ in prayer about this and ask for wisdom and understanding, but I’d appreciate anything else you both (or anyone) can provide.
Please forgive me if you’ve already added al the scriptures, I completely missed. I will reveiw gain the posts.
Hi Sherrrri, The Bible talks
Hi Sherrrri, The Bible talks about the sin of unbelief, Which is not believing in the blood of Jesus for the payment of your sins. Hebrews 10:26-27 maybe talking about that sinning. Because if you stop believing in the blood of Jesus and start believing that there is any other way to salvation, Then there would nolonger be a sacrifice for your sins (meaning your everyday sins) or any sin for that matter. It’s not sins that put someone in hell,It’s unbelief. It’s the sins in ones life that are habitual and without regret that would be a sign to that person that they may nolonger believe. Jesus died and shedd his blood once and for all, That part is done forever. In the old testament they had to continue to sacrafice. In the new testament we have to continue to believe in the sacrifice. John 6:29 says it all. Actually even in the old testament they the ones who are now with Jesus had to believe in the future sacrifice, Which is Jesus’ blood shed for there sins. Believing in the blood of Christ is the only way. One could argue that sin is what puts someone in hell, So mabe I should clearifiy this: If one does not believe in the blood of Christ for the payment of there sin even one sin, Then that sin will qualify them for hell. Therefore sin does put one in Hell. However, If one believes in the blood of Christ for the payment of there sin or sins even us who sin everyday and can predict that were going to sin everyday until Jesus comes or we go home even us, are sin does not put us in hell. Therefore unbelief not sin puts one in hell. Or maybe I should say the sin of unbelief puts people in hell.
No sherrrri, you can't lose your salvation
John 3:16—For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 10:29—And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Ephesians 2:8–9—For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God; Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Salvation isn’t by works as you did nothing to earn it, thus it’s a logical conclusion your actions aren’t required to keep it.
John 10:11–I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Whose job is it to keep the sheep? The sheep, or the shepherd? Do the sheep keep themselves safe, or does the shepherd do that job?
Note: For those who think this implies a “party on dude” lifestyle, a serious study of 1 John is required (see links below to other comments for resources). Eternal security does not mean you can do anything you want and does not excuse poor actions. Again, a thorough study of 1 John is in order.
You’ve noticed the problem with the group claiming it’s possible to lose your salvation. For those who think they can lose salvation by their acts believe in a “Jesus +” idea of salvation. In other words, you must add something to Jesus’ work, as if you don’t (or cease doing it), that means you’re no longer saved.
That means Jesus didn’t finish the work of salvation, which is absurd.
Have a look at another article Can you lose your salvation for more detail on the subject, and also see Comment 378 and Comment 420 and Comment 438 where some more of these issues are discussed.
For that, you should speak with a trusted pastor in person to help you.
Hi Sherrrri, John 3:16—For
Hi Sherrrri, John 3:16—For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Note the word believe: It is a verb, which is an action, which is continuous. If someone continues to believe (or believes) they have eternal life. Read Luke 8:11-15 (New King James Version) 11 “Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. 14 Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity. 15 But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience. Notice verse 12 shows that when someone believes it is equal to being eternally saved. Now look at verse 13 (who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away) they were only eternally saved for as long as they were in a continual state of belief. Actually Jesus right here in this parable shows us that once saved always saved is not from Jesus Christ. Jesus says just the opposite.
John 10:29—And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Lets look at John 10:27-29 (New King James Version) 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. Now look at verse 27 and they follow me. Here we have a stipulation for the eternal life. Follow is also a verb, an action, which is continuous.
Ephesians 2:8–9—For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God; Not of works, lest any man should boast. This is exactly what I’m trying to say. Were saved thru faith by the grace of God, And not from our good deeds or good works, However it is by a work performed by us, Don’t mistake the word work for good deed or good work as in doing something good to get into heaven. Like the Pharisees and Sadducees who kept every letter of the law. The word work I’m speaking of is the word work used in John 6:29 The work where called to do for God is to believe in Jesus. That is every believers responsibility. Not Gods….
Salvation isn’t by works as you did nothing to earn it, thus it’s a logical conclusion your actions aren’t required to keep it. I agree 100% if he means by actions being good deeds.
John 10:11–I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Whose job is it to keep the sheep? The sheep, or the shepherd? Do the sheep keep themselves safe, or does the shepherd do that job? Jesus keeps the sheep as long as they continue in a state of belief. Note: For those who think this implies a “party on dude” lifestyle, a serious study of 1 John is required (see links below to other comments for resources). Eternal security does not mean you can do anything you want and does not excuse poor actions. Again, a thorough study of 1 John is in order. I agree 100%
@sherrrri If by grace I was saved, how is it possible that by works I can be damned? You are saved by grace because you believe the gospel. You can not be damned by works or bad deeds or bad actions. The only way I know of to be damned is by not continuing in the Faith or continuing to believe the gospel until the day you die.
Hopefully once saved always saved has been exposed. The words once saved always saved are not found in the Holy Scriptures. However what I’m saying about one must continue in the faith is in the Holy Scriptures. Colossians 1:21-23 (New King James Version) 21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.
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That’s a contradiction. You’re either saved by grace, or works. It can’t be both. The possibility of losing salvation implies you did something to earn it (works), which is quite wrong.
If you don’t believe, you’re not a Christian, thus the entire discussion is moot as you have no salvation to lose. You can’t lose something you don’t have.
I think you’re finally getting it! That of course means you can’t lose your salvation. Period.
In other words, you’ve admitted you can’t lose your salvation, but you’re claiming you can walk away. That’s a common belief, and quite different from actually losing your salvation due to your actions or inactions, or basing your salvation on works.
To sum up the position—“You can’t lose your salvation by anything, but you can throw it away”. That’s a completely different discussion from the possibility of losing your salvation—those people who fear they could be saved one day, and from something they did, lose their salvation the next.
Yep, it’s completely confirmed. It took a while, but hopefully that’s settled now, and this discussion can draw to a conclusion. At some point it serves no purpose in continuing dialog repeating the same arguments like “yes it is” “no it isn’t” “yes it is”.
John 6:29 (New King James
John 6:29 (New King James Version) Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
There is no contradiction in what I said…. Again here is Jesus the author speaking. This work that Jesus is speaking about isn’t the same work as doing good things for people or good deeds or keeping the law…. Also it doesn’t imply earning salvation in any way shape or form, Just saving faith. Faith that were responsible for keeping, not God. God is responsible for keeping us if we believe.
If for some reason we stop believing in the blood of Christ for our salvation there no longer is a sacrifice for our sin… Therefore we would no longer be saved.
It seems I may have had an incomplete sentence when I said: However what I’m saying about one must continue in the faith is in the Holy Scriptures. I should have added, in order for someone to have eternal security, they must continue in the faith until death.
As for losing your salvation or throwing it away, Maybe I’m not sure what you meant by losing your salvation. I know that salvation comes when someone believes in there heart and confesses with there mouth Jesus as Lord. I also know that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, meaning when someone preached the gospel to me I received a measure of faith from God with the hearing of the gospel, Then I chose to do the work of God (John 6:29) and believe in the one Whom God sent even Jesus, I also know that as long as I do the work of God which is believing in Jesus that I am in God’s hands and that no one can pluck me out. I also know that if I endure to the end that I will receive the crown of life. However if I don’t endure to the end, if I stop believing in Jesus before I die and don’t repent from my unbelief before I die that I would be cast into the outer darkness.
My definition for losing one’s salvation is a person who at one time truly believed in there heart and confessed with there mouth Jesus the Christ is the Son of God and Lord of my life. Then at some point for whatever reason stop believing in the blood of Christ for the payment for there sins, Therefore falling away or no longer holding the free gift of salvation or by my definition losing there salvation. I think there’s a difference in how someone falls away, The bible implies renouncing Christ, The bible implies being bewitched (galatians), The bible implies denying Christ, It seems to me that whatever way it happens that it ultimately comes from Satan’s deception or coercion.
So In conclusion a person who is once saved (a partaker of the Holy Spirit) can lose there free gift of salvation, If the word lose means: cease to have
It really wasn’t my desire to correct you again, In my heart I felt like you were trying to twist my words to make me sound like I was twisting scripture to make it say what you want it to say. Again I don’t think your a bad person and I do love you and only desire the truth for all my brothers and sisters in Christ. So please study the scriptures, You and Jesus, and help us spread the truth. May the peace of God be with all my brothers and sisters in Christ.
Losing salvation
Can an individual wind up in hell after being born again by the power of God? Man says yes because in mans ignorant wisdom negates what Gods power has wonderfully done, man stoops in his intellectual exercise in his own unfaithfulness and tries to rationalize it into some kind of theology 101! Jesus said “When he the comforter has come he will guide you in all truth….” and If man is unfaithful Jesus will remain faithful for he cannot disown himself…. The only way any that any blood bought born again believer can lose their salvation is that right now one must go to the heavens and destroy all the streets of gold. Then after that bad that individual must destroy all the angels at Holy Gods command. Then after that feat the last thing the individual must do is take on Holy God himself. This is impossible so any individual who called out to Jesus for salvation by repentance cannot and will not lose their salvation it would be a paradox in the face of God’s holy word and the payment of mans sin by the blood of his dear son Jesus Christ! Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together. It is God who saves! It is God who leads us by his Spirit! And it is God who cleanses us! Everything of God! Nothing of Man!
Shipwrecksoul, Why would
Shipwrecksoul, Why would someone take another mans understanding and teaching and passes it off as if he learned it for himself from the Holy Spirit ?????? Are there not Mormon’s that read the book of Mormon and make the bible match the understanding of the book of Mormon. Is someone not able to reveal what vine a person is connected to by his interpretation of scripture, Such as the Mormon’s teaching, Jesus and Satan as brothers. The Catholics are taught to give glory to Mary. The Jehovah’s Witnesses are taught that there the 144,000 chosen one’s. The Baptist are taught that a one moment in time commitment seals them for eternity. Are you Baptist? Were you taught this from childhood? Have you ever studied the bible for yourself without a baptist telling you what it says? Are you able to make the bible say whatever you need it to say? Only one has explained John 6:29. Is he not correct? Yet you claim, Or the originator of your interpretation of doctrine claims ” Nothing of Man.” It’s never to late for one to start studying the Holy Scriptures for themselves. One must trust in Jesus, Not in man. Do you have any of your own work that you would like to present? “If man is unfaithful Jesus will remain faithful for he cannot disown himself” Interpretation: Just because someone doesn’t believe Jesus is real, it doesn’t make Jesus a made up God, because Jesus knows that Jesus is real and he can’t deny his own existence.
Shipwrecksoul-Says: “The only way any that any blood bought born again believer can lose their salvation is that right now one must go to the heavens and destroy all the streets of gold. Then after that bad that individual must destroy all the angels at Holy Gods command. Then after that feat the last thing the individual must do is take on Holy God himself.” Bondslave-Says: Or they can not obey or stop obeying John 6:29- The work of God is to believe in the one whom God has sent.
Salvation
Hello Bondslave, Im so proud of you thinking it was my wisdom in stating the past post. Because im with you whenever someone tries to make merchadise of one (King James) In actuality its from Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, boy I hope I spelled those names right. God is alive then and he is alive today as well His name is Jesus, the Lord Jesus Christ and he can and will save you if u let him!
Nothing of man because its all been done already all we have to do is enter into the grace he has for us! 1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. Walla God moves upon us all we do is accept it!
However, as it is written:
However, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him” but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment: “For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
“not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit” Were you taught by man? Forget what human wisdom you were taught and re-“read the Holy Scriptures for yourself, Just you and Jesus.”